Six illegal immigrants who were suspected of stealing relief supplies from Qualcomm Stadium were arrested by Border Patrol agents after San Diego police stopped them Wednesday morning.
A woman who had been evacuated to the stadium told officers she saw the group load up two pickup trucks and a car with cots and other supplies, leave and then return, said police Sgt. Jesse Cesen~a.
When officers stopped them, a member of the group said they were being paid to take things of value from the stadium.
"They were stealing a lot of stuff," Cesen~a said. "We took the stuff back and we escorted them out. They were stealing from the people in need."
Because some members of the group spoke Spanish, officers called Border Patrol agents at the stadium for relief efforts. They determined the people were in the country illegally and arrested them.
The Border Patrol agents are among 100 that the federal agency has been providing for relief efforts, said agency spokesman Matthew Johnson. He said the agents are not looking for illegal immigrants among people seeking refuge at the stadium.
"We're not out there doing immigration stuff in the middle of a disaster," he said. "However, we still enforce the laws."
-- Onell R. Soto
Wednesday, October 24, 2007
Illegal immigrants suspected of stealing supplies
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Drop them off in the middle of the fire and give them some shovels and a bucket. That will teach them a lesson. Taking them back to Mexico is like giving them a free vacation.
They and thier immediate families should be evicted and deported on the spot. We need to send a message
Talk about good neighbors....
Maybe we should have them fight the fires, then send them back to Mexico.
Disgusting...really disgusting. They should be ashamed...very ashamed.
you know, had they just asked, they may have been able to take some supplies legally.
It is things like this that make me dislike our neighbors to the south. How dare these people steal from those who have just lost everything.
We are in the middle of evacuating and trying to stop the fire, and some people are trying to steal from people in need??!? I'm not sure about other but I am very angry when I heard this news... Those people need to be sent to jail, punished, and sent back to their country!!!
Haven't you heard? Illegal immigrants just come here because they want a better life....
but at who's expense?
Native San Diegan sick of it.
This looting is a Federal felony when a Federal Emergency has been declared. Throw them in jail and throw away the keys. Scum!
This isn't news about the fire. It's also not news pertinent to operations at the Qualcomm center that evacuees or concerned citizens need to know about. This should be removed from the Wildfires blog in lieu of reports about the actual fire and evacuation.
i swear, you put this on the front of page of signonsandiego and commenters would literally go bananas!
i can't believe they were sent by someone to steal cots and food items from evacuees! do these people have no scruples?
Should have built the wall and kept the illegals out - when we will learn.
great example for your country Mexico. The image is that you're a bunch of theives. This isn't true but it doesn't appear very good when you're stealing from evacuated people. I'm sure they'll be given a 'pass' by the media since they're illegally here. Could you imagine if they'd been white and doing the same thing in New Orleans?? Media field day!!
People, this ISN'T Katrina.... Let's show the rest of the country that Californians have some class and community spirit... Oh, wait.... the people accused AREN'T FROM CALIFORNIA.... THEY ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"we took the stuff back and escorted them out"?? what the hell is that? why did this police sgt. not arrest the dirtbags, make an example out of them. what a missed opportunity... make the arrest, publicize the arrest on all media, get the public ire up and this would not continue. or just shoot em.
This is the lowest kind of behavior, stealing from a relief effort.
I can't believe that people would just show up at the stadium and begin stealing stuff!!!
Awesome job to the BP!!!!!
Illegal or not, why were they not arrested for stealing? The statement was that they were 'escorted out'. This is virtually no different than looting - they are taking from people in need in order to profit...
At least they were arrested in the end by the Border Patrol. I understand that the police resources are stretched but we have to draw the line...
This is exactly why we need to enforce our immigration laws. Contrary to popular belief not all of these illegals are kind hearted individuals looking for a better life. These illegals are heartless people here to take advantage of us during a disaster or not during a disaster. God Bless everyone who loves America and helps those in times of need.
Typical... perfect reason why illegal immigration is a problem
This has me livid!!!!!!
This is humanity at its lowest. I wish they burn in hell for stealing from those in need. I hope the courts throw the book at them.
whether illegal or not these people should be put away for life, this is a horrendous act that should be punished to the fullest extent (and maybe beyond a litte)
The poltical climate of correctness implies we are to accept and be gracious to illegal immigrants, to the point of reffering to them as undocumented aliens. Illegal is illegal and here they are not only getting free medical services, shelter and tax free cash money but now stealing from those in need. It's obvious these people do not care about our country or it's people, but they only care about what they can get or steal from us. If you or I did anything "Illegal" we would be arrested and prosecuted. Why are we not doing the same to them? Enough is enough!
Can we get this story to the national news agencies so they can get the word out to the rest of the country of why there is so much anomosity towards the illegal's. Lack of respect and lack of morals iswhat is coming into this country at all of our expenses!!!
I am disgusted by comments that generalize "these people" based on the actions of a couple people. This is a case of a few people doing something bad, and what seems to me like racist Americans using it as an excuse as to why all illegal immigrants are scum. What about the people who looted in Ramona? If they were American, then does that give me the excuse to say all Americans are scum? Please use your brain and THINK before posting an emotional message which just ends up revealing your racist feelings.
Ok, these six guys are scum. Agreed. They should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and then deported. Agreed.
But there are probably north of 100,000 illegals in San Diego and 6 of them were caught steeling. It is not evidence of the general character of illegal immigrants any more than the 2 american teenagers caught looting in Ramona are representative of all americans. You can be against illegal immigration without resorting to racist and prejudiced comments saying illegals or Mexicans are all a bunch of thieves. Put the white hoods away.
Oh my god, I cannot believe the utterly dispicable racism and hatred in this comment forum.
If this had been six wealthy, white teenagers from Rancho Bernardo stealing supplies from Qualcomm I donlt think the response in this forum would be quite the same. Perhaps people instead would say, "kids will be kids!"
The pathetic depths of responses in this forum just go to prove much of a racist, hateful place San Diego really is!
Again, New Orleans NEVER got the disaster recovery responses that San Diego is receiving. Talk about racist!
This is no surprise to me. This is why I will never accept it when I hear people say that illegals are just hard-working people who want a better life. B.S.! They broke the law in the first place, and as any behavioral psychologist knows, when someone has a willful disregard for the law, it shows a propensity to continue to commit illegal acts. That's why there are SO many illegal alien criminals, this is why they have no remorse for stealing Soc. Security #'s, driving with no license and while drunk, statutory rape, and sucking down services provided by taxpayers, meant for citizens. Open your eyes, bleeding hearts. An illegal alien might sneak in illegally from the third-world, but the third-world never leaves the illegal alien.
Devin,
You're probably a nice guy but don't you feel the frustration of all the other bloggers?
It has been pent up for years because of our do-gooder corporation run government. They have the right to be angry as do I.
exactly. if they were wealthy teenagers from RB--they probably need the stuff more than illegal immigrants without a home trying to gain something when everyone else has lost.
8:50, you're full of crap. Given the outpouring of support, donation and volunteerism, ANYBODY would have gotten burned (no pun intended) for stealing from the relief effort.
There's a totally reasonable additional criticism to be made here in that these crooks were shouldn't have even been in the country.
Like it or not, Bill O'Reilly is going to have a field day if he gets his hands on this story.
Those should be some good fireworks. He'll call to have the mayor drawn and quartered for not having done the same to these six upstanding individuals.
Boo-hoo- Yeah, right, we're supposed to feel sorry for illegal Mexicans or be called racist, well, news flash- that doesn't work anymore. The days of PC are over, and no one cares if you think we're racist for wanting to throw illegal entrants to our nation out on their butt. And you're right, it does make it worse when an illegal commits a crime, any crime, because THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN OUR COUNTRY, ANYWAY! The fact that they are here is a crime in and of itself. If they were where they are supposed to be, the crimes would not have been committed. Get it through your thick skulls. Patience has run out.
The difference between this and Hurricane Katrina is that the majority of the populous here took personal responsibility to get themselves out of harm's way, whilst most in New Orleans sat and waited for the government to do it for them, as per usual. Ya know what Ben Franklin said: God helps those who help themselves :)!
Anybody who would seriously defend these illegals for their actions (or make the claim that racism is afoot here) needs a big, fat reality check.
Two things come to mind.
Firstly, we have problems enough at home ALREADY. And as the old saying goes, you have to be able to take care of yourself before you can take care of anybody else.
Secondly, a nation without borders is no nation at all. What ever happened to our wall? Sure, sure, we're a nation of immigrants, and that's fine, I won't argue that point -- but how about folks do things legally?
Crossing a border illegaly behaviorally is akin to making an illegal U-turn or driving 70 in a 65 when you don't think you will get caught. They are all misdemeanors. Just because someone drives 70 doesn't mean they have a propensity for theft rape and murder and either does crossing a border. Yes some illegals are criminal, just like any other group of people. Yes all illegals broke the law by coming here, I know I'll get that response, but most Americans have broken at least one law in their life that doesn't make them career criminals.
Also to all the people that make the "my grandparents/great-grandparents came her legally!" arguemet: We had open borders until WWII. Anyone in the world (except the chinese after the Chinese Exclusion Act) could get on a boat and come here and be an instant citizen. Now if you want to come here and you don't have a PHD or US relatives it is virtually impossible legally. There is no "line" to get in. If the current laws were in place back then, all your grandparents/great-grandparents would have been illegal immigrants. And they probably still would have come. At least lets hope so, since they made this country great, as will the decendants of today's immigrants.
If you truly want to do something about the immigration problem, visit www.cap-s.org (Californians for Population Stabilization), an organized group of educated citizens concerned about environmental damage, traffic problems, overcrowded schools, and other problems associated with uncontrolled immigration.
My mother came here LEGALLY, took the tests, while pregnate (with me) learned english, passed the test, took the oath, promised her loyalty to the USA and never once flew any flag other than the stars and stripes. She totally relingquisted any loyalty to any country AS REQUIRED (she lived in four different LEGALLY) except for the States.
I have no compasion for ILLEGAL aliens.
ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL and it has nothing to do with "white hoods" or white anything. Stop being stupid. Please. At least, for the sake of all the legal people here.
Sigh- that tired old broken immigration system line again? 1) People always had to sign in & have criminal/disease checks, and immigration was restricted after WW ONE. Oh, and it's an OCEAN- making it a much more important decision 2) We actually don't need many new immigrants in this day and age, and the needs of American citizens come first. You have bored me! For God's sake- illegally entering the country is in no way like a minor traffic infraction (for which, if I did commit one, I would pay dearly- while illegal immigrants have no consequences), it is more akin to breaking and entering someone's property. That's a felony, brother. Stop defending criminals, you weenie.
How exactly does finding this story sickening make one a racist? If these were "rich white kids" from R.B. or anywhere else for that matter, I'd say the same thing: Stealing releif supplies from people in need is as low as it gets and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law... regardless of race or income!
They just wanting cots to sleep tired bodies on after doing you people works..
To 9:21
The fact that your mom lived in four countries legally tells me she was probably a professional in high demand (or your dad was). Like I said, for the "tired, the poor, the huddled masses" they can't get in legally, despite what the statue of liberty says. And most people who have come to this country throughout its history have fit that discription but wouldn't be welcome today.
"They just wanting cots to sleep tired bodies on after doing you people works.."
Great English, dude. Methinks we have an illegal alien interloper here, people. Loser! I'll give you a cot to sleep on, thief. In the penitentiary, in Mexico. No one forced any illegal to come here, in fact most of us don't want you here, doing our stinking work. We can do it ourselves thank you.
Oh, yeah- that new Dream amnesty bill failed again today, 9:25. The American people are making it known over and over- we're through with illegal immigration and illegals will get nothing from us.
Oh yeah, by the way, Deven get a clue.
I never said finding this story sickening makes you a racist. I never said being anti-illegal immigration makes you a racist. I said generalizing these 6 mens behaviour and saying all illegals or all Mexicans are thieves and criminals does make those who made those comments racist.
And to 9:23, I'm sure 99% of illegals would willingly sign in and submit to criminal and disease checks if they had that option today. And illegal immigration is indeed classified as a misdemeanor, look it up.
It has notihng to do with being an illegal alien and has everything to do with being Mexican..It's in thier blood..Look at how their country operates, payoffs, kickbacks,greed,corruption,utter disregard for thier own people,no social services,thievery....wake up people
9:38, thank you for making my point so vividly clear. With that, goodnight racists and non-racists alike.
LOL @ 9:33- that reminds me of a line from the great movie "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" (the original): "You get nothing! You lose! Good day, sir!" Ha, ha, we should give ICE and the BP (and anyone else) a recording of that for their phone so they can play it whenever they see an illegal. Also, that really sad trombone music they play when you pick the wrong answer on a game show: Wah-wah! You lose!
Why don't you get mad at your own White Race! Damn Arsonists!
* Officials were searching for an arsonist responsible for the Santiago fire. In San Bernardino County, a suspected arsonist was shot and killed by police Tuesday night. The shooting was under investigation, but the man was spotted in a brushy area behind Cal State San Bernardino, officials said. After a vehicle pursuit on a dirt road, the man rammed a police car before being fired on by officers, officials said. "There was no reason for him to be back there," said Lt. Scott Patterson of the San Bernardino Police Department.
A few hours later, in Hesperia in San Bernardino County, John Alfred Rund, 48, was arrested on suspicion of arson after he was spotted squatted near a roadside. Rund had started a small fire that was quickly put out, officials said. He was apprehended after he took off on a motorcycle, they said.
@ 9:38- yeah, but you don't see any of the good-looking European/Spanish Mexicans trying to sneak in here. Hell, if we had to guess who lived in Mexico by who's sneaking in here, you'd think there was no one in Mexico but a bunch of hairy,two-foot tall, Oompa-loompa looking trolls. And there are actually some normal-looking humans there ;).
Great English, dude. Methinks we have an illegal alien interloper here, people. Loser! I'll give you a cot to sleep on, thief. In the penitentiary, in Mexico. No one forced any illegal to come here, in fact most of us don't want you here, doing our stinking work. We can do it ourselves thank you.
Oh, yeah- that new Dream amnesty bill failed again today, 9:25. The American people are making it known over and over- we're through with illegal immigration and illegals will get nothing from us.
Methanks you sir. :)
Your English not to good your self shit head!
Your daughter wants me here very bad. 8)
ZOMG, what's up with all the Willy Wonka references? Lawls. I love it!
Oh, and Devin and others who just-don't-get-it: Here's a nickel, go buy a clue. 'Cause you're lost in the sauce if you can't tell that we're mad at people of any race who commit any crime, but it's especially heinous and that much more infuriating when some two-bit scum, who have no right to be here in the first place, prey on citizens of their host country in their time of need, just like the parasitic leeches they are.
9:49, nothing in particular jumps out at me as being grammatically incorrect (or even flimsy) in 9:33's post.
Perhaps your objection is "methinks," in which case I'd argue that you ought to go learn the language -- or at least, find a dictionary.
If someone had suggested burning a mile-wide strip along the border, to deter illegals from crossing over into this country, there would be a huge uproar from every environmental and progressive political group.
But now that it's done....
It will suprise you, but I agree with 9:43 completely. It is important to our survival as a nation that new people assimilate and learn the common language. But contrary to the fears of anti-immigration groups, every scholarly study that has been done has shown that hispanics are integrating just as fast as previous groups like the Irish, Italians, Germans, and Polish. In each instance, the 1st generation kept using their native language all their lives, the 2nd generation learned the parents language 1st but was proficient in English. The 3rd generation learned English 1st but also spoke the grandparents language. The 4th generation mostly spoke only English. Also drop-out rates dropped with each generation.
These same things are observed at the same rates amongst hispanics. It is counter intuitive because on a day to day basis you run into so many 1st generation immigrants and think no one is assimilating. But the 1st generation rarely fully assimilated throughout history. My own great-grandparents spoke only a little broken English till the day they died. I don't speak their language at all.
These fears have always arrised during periods of rapid influxes but have always been unfounded. There was great hatred and distrust toward the lazy drunkard violent Irish and Italian, but they turned out ok over time.
And to the argument that we are overpopulated, that arguement was made in the 1920s too, I think there were about 50 million people in the US then. Today less than 3% of our land mass is urbanized, 75% is classified as wilderness. Even in California less than 5% of our land is urbanized. NJ is the most densely populated with 6% urbanized. In comparison, Japan has a population only slightly smaller than the US and is the size of California. And most of it is still rural. I think theres still some room here.
A racist is defined as someone who beleives one race is superior to another. I think this is a very common belief among all races.I don't hate anyone, and have friends of multiple races. Some races are just superior in many different areas. That's life, and that's progression. And that's what I beleive. I think everyone knows thier role and accepts it. Don't hate people
@ 9:49- Now I know you're an illegal alien P.O.S.- Methinks is from Middle English; i.e., Shakespeare (from Hamlet, spec.) Ooh, snap. Too bad. Maybe if you were an English-speaking American who actually went to school past the fouth grade, you'd know that.
Also, I'm fairly certain I don't have a daughter, seeing that I myself am a 24 year old female. And, believe me, I've never even held a conversation with an illegal alien, let alone do any disgusting thing which you're insinuating with one. I like my men like I like the icing on my cake- white and rich ;).
I say that we change our deportation and immigration policy.
Let everyone know that all illegal aliens have 3 weeks to leave the USA or face deportation AFTER surgical or chemical sterilization.
I support the ACLU. But on this I would tell them to go to hell in a handbasket.
Something drastic HAS GOT TO BE DONE to get this nation back up to where it should be! The Corporations have TOO MUCH POWER and their desire for cheap labor has driven this invasion well past any sense of reason.
I've heard the phrase " We want California Back" too many times from a latino friend or co-worker to just dismiss it as a joke.
lately I'm been hearing a lot about how "this is our land and we're taking it back"
I'm over the top in my anger over this.
By the way Devin (and the white supremist/rasist white trash), the two WHITE teanagers that were caught looting in Ramona DID GO TO KIDDY JAIL.
99% of Mexicans I've met here and in Mexico ARE good people.
Overall, illegal is "illegal". Face it. It's just the simple truth.
I'll bet you that there's a really good chance that, if the Qualcomm thieves were white, green or blue, they would have gotten their asses kicked by the evacuees. Unfortunately, they were Mexican nationals who have been at times more protected than the rest of us who pay our taxes, insure ourselves, REALISTICALLY keep the economy strong and cherish our constitution so you have the right to mouth off and show all your readers how trully ignorant you are. It's your right as an American citizen.
Congratulations.
You know, sometimes it's fun to talk shit and throw words around on the internet, and that's what I've been doing. I, seriously, in real life am cordial to everyone and try to give every the benefit of the doubt before I react. But because, like most of us here and across America in real life, I'm nice and tolerant, doesn't mean that illegal immigration is alright, and doesn't mean that I think breaking the law in any way is okay. The law is there for a reason, and if we start letting people disregard it here and there, it is going to bcome so devalued to the majority of the populace, that we'll become indistinguishable from the corrupt Latin American nations those illegals are trying to get away from. To paraphrase Dwight Shrute, Asst. to the Regional Mgr., I don't care what race you are, I do not like criminals!
J Baustian, Your comment is brilliant.
Hi Devin,
I think you are totally wrong about what you wrote here. You said: that hispanics are integrating just as fast as previous groups like the Irish, Italians, Germans, and Polish. In each instance, the 1st generation kept using their native language all their lives, the 2nd generation learned the parents language 1st but was proficient in English. The 3rd generation learned English 1st but also spoke the grandparents language. The 4th generation mostly spoke only English. Also drop-out rates dropped with each generation.
My dad and his 9 siblings were first generation Americans. Their parents were from Poland. My dad and his siblings most proficient language was English. They could barely speak Polish. I am 2nd generation and my brothers and I didn't know any Polish and only spoke English. My neices and nephews are 3rd generation and only know English. My dad's generation was from the depression. He had many friends in the same boat as he was with immigrant parents. They were basically the same, English was their language and they barely knew their parents language. Back then no one pandered to you in your parents language and your parents wanted you to speak English. The first generation immigrants whose parents came through Ellis Island were not hanging onto their parents languages so much, they were speaking English. If they could speak their parents language, I would say it was not so proficient but they could get by with it.
How low-down can these illegals get?!?! How DARE they demand U.S. citizenship and rights when they come over here and steal from disaster victims! They should be shot as they cross the border.
I agree there shouldn't be illegal immigration. But the fault isn't with the illegal-immigrants. Its supply and demand. There are 12 million illegals working here. There are only 3-4 million unemployed Americans and most of them are out of work white collar workers or skilled blue collar workers who don't want a job picking lettuce or mowing lawns. If those 12 million illegals weren't here that would be at least 8 million jobs that could not be filled, probably closer to 11 million since like I said, the jobs are undesirable even to unemployed Americans. Thats something like 7-8% of our entire labor force. We clearly NEED people to do those jobs. What we need is an immigration policy that allows low skilled workers to legally immigrate here and do all our shit jobs for us. Then they can have criminal and desease checks and labor laws can be better enforced.
10:22, I think we are defining things differently. You are defining the actual immigrant (your grand parents) as the zeroeth generation, I am defining them as the first generation. Not sure which way is correct. And there was actually a study done, I read it in thw Wall Street Journal, following thousands of immigrant families over 50 years. I may have gotten a few specifics off a little, but the conclusion was that hispanics are assimilating just as fast as other groups, if not slightly faster.
i think it is dispicable that the people dont care about anything but themselves. They will get taken back to mexico and then they are just going to come right back and steal again!
I agree with the person who posted before that says we should take these illegals and put them on the front lines to fight the fires for us.
and my grandparents learned their parents language first, but were proficient in English as kids and as time went on and the moved out on their own, English became stronger than their parents language and eventually they forgot alot of their 1st language. I would chalenge you to find a mexican-american born here that doesn't speak decent English. I know plenty of 1st and 2nd (or zeroeth and 1st) Mex-Americans and the patern fits pretty well. The ones born here speak English as well as I do, perhaps with a little accent.
Devin, I have an idea. Why don't you go down to Home Depot tomorrow and pick up some illegals and guarantee them and their families. Take it upon yourself to ensure that our vegetables get picked, house them, feed them and keep the illegals from taking advantage of the holes in our system.
Keep in mind that it's very expensive. The reason that current Americans aren't doing that is because the burden is great on them.
Or, you could simply not do anything and leave the rest of our country to take on that burden.
Oh wait, you're already doing that!
Nice job!
the should be shot in the head as an example to other illegals that would come here and break the law.
Dear 10:12... next time you hear the "Our land... want it back" thing, remind them that the majority of the population living in Mexico are NOT Mesos, but are Meso-European. And that their own forebearers (the Euro side) were provided adequated payment for this territory. If there is an issue with this simple fact of history, maybe those folks should take it up with Spain and France... or at least read a history book - that might be in order (of course, the history books are probably in error - right? "White Man's history" or something... Well, regardless, those folks still lost their lands to the conquistadors and should probably take issue with that particular segment).
Ummm, yeah, until that day - since these folks (those hardworking, honest law breakers living in our nation stealing US Citizen's identities so they can work here - obviously a minor offense that should warrant a slap on the wrist as opposed to federal prison time & deportation) are ardently seeking a better life under a more just system, MAYBE their efforts would be better served improving life in their native country. And rather than folks getting angry and pointing the finger of "racism" at anyone who feels ire at those breaking our laws (you know, "LAW", that thing that states one must progress through an immigration process - "LAW", that thing that, if not followed, makes one a "law breaker"), maybe those folks should go on down to good old Mexico (A) illegally (so they can see what a government who cares about penalizing illegal immigration does to illegals) and ask for Constitutional rights, and (B) begin a nice little uprising against THAT government, promoting change and human rights for all!
K?
And, yeah... By the way, my forebearers - American Indians, Germans and Portugese - they all assimilated into the Standard/Dominant American culture. My grandparents who immigrated into the US (legally, mind you), REFUSED to speak their native languages! Oddly, each of my great-grandparents (all from different places, all immigrated to different US cities) shared this same practice - must not have been so odd for a 1st generation immigrant to decide to do everything necessary to assimilate into their new HOMELAND...
Oh, and finally - I don't care who steals from the survivors of this tragedy: THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD BE HUNG UPSIDE-DOWN BY THEIR TOENAILS AND STONED IN THE SCORCHING SUN WHILE THIER FAMILIES WATCH!
... just a thought ...
who cares if they speak fluent english or can assimilate, the problem is they refuse to use protection, have 7 kids,work for minimum wage and strain our social services. What the hell do they contribute to out society, economy besides fast food and service work?
Devin, please- I can see that many, many people on here have implored you to wake up and smell the stinky Mexican bean-farts. You need to. Stop being a head-in-the-clouds, oh-so-romantic, bleeding heart. It most certainly is the illegal aliens (and their cultures) fault for coming here illegally. They're not slaves, asshat! And we DO NOT need them here. We have over 300 million freakin' people in this country (and for a misanthrope like me, that's way too many), most of whom are able-bodied and willing to work for respectable, real wages, without having them undercut by illegal schmucks. As an aside, if I could choose a country whose people to let in, I'd have to choose the Brits :). Lovely accent and manners- they put a smile on my face. I've never met a Brit I didn't like, plus, they speak the language, so, you know, bonus. Also, maybe the Welsh (?), but maybe I'm just biased on that one, being Cymru myself ;).
to be clear- all illegal immegrants ARE scum. All americans are not scum.
does that help?
Hey there 11:03!
Sounds like a plan to me! I've been advocating for that one for a while!
I can't blame anyone for wanting to escape Mexico for a better life. How can one Nation treat their own people like that? But if you come here and pull that crap you are going to add to the stereotype. Look at Mexico they dont even care about there OWN people.
I love what Sonny Bono said when asked about his feelings on the illegal immigration situation. "It's illegal, isn't it?"
I will be running for President of these United States of America in the year 2032. My platform: complete border control. There will be no illegal immigration because all found illegals will hanged on site. After a small amount of time, all potential illegal immigrants will catch on to our newly implemented law, and will think long and hard before crossing into our country.
I love legal immigration, it is what our country was founded upon. However, when you vote me in as President, I will be a friend of America. I will keep the illegals out, and will personally shake the hand of each legalized citizen.
Thank you.
Does everyone forget that the Harris fire in on the border of the US and Mexico?
M.A.P.A. , Border Angels, Chicano Park, AFSC, Gente Unida, House of
Mexico and more join forces to collect blankets, food, water, canned
goods, clothes, tents, sleeping bags etc for all those suffering because
of the terrible fires ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER! Tecate, East County
San Diego, North County, San Ysidro, South Coutny, the canyon areas….
all need your help.
So maybe we all could stop being so selfish and share the already abundance of supplies, that they already reported on the news that QUALCOMM doesn't need. If you've been by there you'd know this to be true. They’re literally asking for no more perishable foods.
Now, would it be too unimaginable to think that maybe, since the Harris fire doesn't just reach the San Diego area, and that it has also effected Mexico, that maybe they'd need help as well? Who's helping them out? I doubt anyone here who's been blogging all night is going out there to help. Do you think their government cares that a fire is out there destroying land, houses, maybe even killing? Do you think they get reverse 911 calls? I highly doubt that.
Honestly, If it was you, would you not have done the same thing? If no one is going to help you, you’ve got to help your self.
I’m not saying it’s right, they did steal, and should be punished for it, but if they asked for the supplies, do you think ANYONE would have said yes?
I was out there yesterday at QUALCOMM, and I work in mission valley, I saw homeless people out there who I have seen on the corner of my shopping center every single day and night, taking pillows, blankets, and food from QUALCOMM. Does anyone stop them? Are they stealing? Are they in need? Or is it okay because they’re American? Someone PLEASE explain that one to me. One homeless man who spends his day hanging out in mission valley holding up a sign all day long for money, came into my work and said “looks like I’ll be eating good for a week!” Does he deserve that food more so than any other human being who has been affected by this fire?
If someone paid you to take supplies, for maybe a family in Mexico in need, in hopes that maybe you’ll be able to help, would you say no? I hope not, or this world is becoming one horrible place…
Oh, and last I checked, this was about the fires, not who’s letting in who, just to try and get this conversation back on topic.
MJ-
I think 1 can appreciate your heart of compassion. TRUELY.
But ya know... It IS unfortunately Mexico wont help their own people. But that isnt OUR problem.
The homeless here are another subject. Regardless of legal status, stealing is stealing. I agree.
I think what fuels the issue, is Illegals are take advantage of OUR system/recovery efforts. =/ Fire or no fire... um, ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL. period.
Hey all in SD!
So sorry to hear about your fires, and my heart goes out to everyone there. I read through this post and have to admit that there were a few times that my ire was raised. I agree that taking the supplies from the stadium was wrong, no matter what the excuse. I believe that this action should be followed by a criminal prosecution.
I also heard a lot of anti-immigrant issues raised. They have a point. How many thousands of criminals did the old Soviet Union get rid of in the 1990's when the iron curtain came tumbling down and they cleared out their prisons? Too Many! How many hundreds of criminals did our old friend Castro get rid of during the 1980's flotilla when he opened up his prisons? Too many!
Immigration law exists for a reason, just as it did during the late 1800's and the early part of the 20th Century. One of the things that Customs/Immigration is supposed to do before letting people in this country is have a face-to-face with each and every person entering the USA. They did this in the early 20th century, why can't they seem to do it now?
I was stationed in West Berlin from 1988-1991, and I know full well what a "Wall" can do to a city and a country. But that wall was very different. That wall was designed by the East German government to keep the oppressed inside. West Germans and Americans could always travel freely into the East.
A wall at the southern border makes sense. Why hasn't it been built yet? The cost of building the entire thing couldn’t possibly cost any more than the combined yearly cost of the Healthcare/Education/Medicaid/Incarceration costs of all the illegal immigrants that are in your State, and here as well. Think of how clear our commute would be without those extra cars on the freeway, I know that I do each and every day while I sit in traffic (that rivals yours in SoCal), trying to get to work, so I can pay the taxes to house/feed/educate these lawbreakers.
Dry in Atlanta.
I find it funny that only "devin" is posting with an username and makes coherent posts. The rest of the "anonymous" posters all say the same thing and are too coward to put a name to their ignorant words: "omg! all the mexicans deserve to die cause they stole our things"
It sounds very much to what happened at pearl harbor "oh no! Japan bombed us, now lets put all the slanted eyed people in concentration camps then we'll sort things out". Racism at its best (or worst?)
These 6 people did something despicable? yes, but unfortunately the law system is flawed here and they can't really be charged with "stolen goods" since the things were *free* donations.
Its also sad that people feel like they need to bring out and point out racist comments to inflate their pseudo-patriotic ego by pretending to be perfect upstanding citizens who uphold every law in the US.
If you want to get rid of this "plague" of illegal immigration, here's what you do: just like taking action against sweatshops in Asia by not purchasing their products, do the same. Stop buying your mexican-picked groceries, stop eating at any fast food place with a history of hiring illegal immigrants (MD's, Jack, BK, etc). Oh hey look, you can't, and you wouldn't work at those places because you wouldn't be paid enough to afford a computer and internet connection to read this blog.
Bush's buddies just doing the jobs Americans won't do.
hmmm...
I think the wall idea is a bad one. Land mines would be much more fun. We could start a cable channel that hosts web cams set up at all of the prime migrant routes. Maybe even place Vegas odds on which one in the group will be the next one to go. Then at least the illegals will be generating some revenue to pay for all the services they are sucking up. The ones that make it through would make for excellent mine detection troops in Iraq, which pays slightly better then picking avocados or standing in front of Home Depot. A true gauntlet to citizenship.
"Again, New Orleans NEVER got the disaster recovery responses that San Diego is receiving. Talk about racist!"
Um, no. San Diego took care of itself during a LOCAL emergency, then requested help through the proper channels. Expecting the feds to come in and run things ASAP is not only laughable, considering it is a LOCAL emergency, but it's not how government runs. The order is local, state, federal...perhaps someone needs to revisit a high-school government class. The city learned from 2003 and organized as necessary. Our governor has done everything he can to help. New Orleans' mayor and Louisiana's governor didn't take the necessary action (the whole country knew that storm was coming for DAYS), then decided to blame everyone else.
"Um, no. San Diego took care of itself during a LOCAL emergency, then requested help through the proper channels."
Well, yeah, kinda, but San Diego has electricity, water, and well, lots of wealthy Americans. You sure don't have the abject poverty of the lower 9th ward.
It's awfully difficult to compare the two. Katrina was an example of a FUBAR government. San Diego is an example of a well-thoughtout plan by local, state, and federal government. There's enough blame to go around with New Orleans and Katrina. Apples and oranges, folks. They are not the same thing, and can never be.
I'm really pleased to see how well San Diego has beared up under pressure. God keep you all safe and I'll hope for rain!
Who sent them? Why were they being payed to take stuff? Where they told this was a job? Who hired them? Who is the mastermind behind it? Who is the real thief?
I totally agree with Victor M. Was it the mastermind the ''self proclaim patriot"? Or was it the one that would not hold a real job and saw an opportunity with the ''illegals'' to give them a ''job'' that the mastermind knew before he ''sent'' them that if they would be cought it would be blamend on the ''illegals''? Because if the ''mastermind'' did the ''job'' himself who holds an impresive police record to almost make a best seller would be on his third strike? Who is the person behind it? If this people where earning their day's wages who were hired by a deceptive sweet talker..Who is to blame???
me, me, me, me, me.
That attitude alone excludes them from ever truly being a citizen, a member of this country.
To the person said we shouldn't let Mexicans come in because they have too many babies, work for low wages and drain our resources: Thats the exact same arguement used against the Irish over a century ago. To the person who thinks we should let more people in from England and less from Mexico: hmmm, not a racist?
As I've said before, if your arguement is that you think laws should be enforced, thats a valid arguement. I agree. However, the law needs to conform to reality. When 10,000 low skill jobs are created that Americans are unable or unwilling to fill and we only let 1,000 low skill immigrants in, the other 9,000 will come in illegaly. If we raised our quotas to conform to demand, we would get 10,000 legal immigrants and very few illegals because there wouldn't be demand for them. And when they are coming legally we can screen them for crimanal records and deseases. And I still challenge anyone to find me a Mexican immigrant who doesn't want to learn English or an American born Mexican who doesn't speak it fluently. Try arguing with facts not emotions.
Some facts:
Hispanics are integrating and learning English as fast or faster than previous immigrant groups, I've read the studies.
Birthrates and dropout rates drop in each successive generation, just as they did with the Irish and Italians etc.
Illegal immigrants add more to the economy than they take out making Americans wealthier on average. A letter signed by every leading economist in the country including half a dozen nobel prize winners assets this as a fact.
Illegals work 12 million jobs in the US. US unemployment is about 4%. Working population (exclude retirees, kids, students, stay at home moms etc) is less than 150 million. That means only 6 million Americans unemployed, most of whom are white collar and skilled blue collar workers who don't want a job picking lettuce or mowing lawns anyways. If we kicked them out there would be no one to do the work. Massive inflation, crops rotting in fields, food shortages, etc.
Fine, stop illegal immigration! Let more people in legally and it will stop.
"It sounds very much to what happened at pearl harbor "oh no! Japan bombed us, now lets put all the slanted eyed people in concentration camps then we'll sort things out". Racism at its best (or worst?)"
RACISM??? Did you study the Rape of Nanking in school? They don't teach that part of WWII history anymore. Go back to the arcives and do your history lesson.
This is a little off subject, but ok, your arguement is: Japan was a racist country that committed attrocities against the Chinese and others, therefore it was ok that we put innocent American citizens of Japanese decent into internment camps. Ever heard the phrase "two wrongs don't make a right."
Whether these people were here legally or not is irrelevant in my opinion. What shocked me was that they were 'escorted out'! Previous news posts stated that looters would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law..you can't prosecute people you are letting go.
These people are no different than anyone else looting - I would have been just as angry had it been a legal resident!
I'm not sure what you people are reading. Here is what the story said:
"Because some members of the group spoke Spanish, officers called Border Patrol agents at the stadium for relief efforts. They determined the people were in the country illegally and arrested them."
The police "escorted them out" and then handed them over to border patrol who arrested them. They will be sent back to Mexico.
Devin,
While you make numerous valid points, I disagree with many of your assertions and analogies. The environmental and political consequences (if you extrapolate to the demand for more oil, among many other repercussions) alone of unfettered population growth are extremely disconcerting.
Yes, there are some short-term benefits to low-wage workers who risk their lives to enter the U.S. and lack recourse to demand fair wages or treatment. Whether it is morally correct to employ these workers is a separate issue --- it is clearly against the law --- but the simple fact that so many posters feel so frustrated by the failure of our politicians to enforce the law, should give one pause. Whether the posters are correct or not, their sentiments are valid and the implications are spine-chilling.
I'm not sure from where you derived your statistics but I would urge you to take a look at www.cap-s.org (Californians for Population Stabilization), take at look at its Board of Directors --- most hold PhDs and are experts on the subject of immigration and its implications), and then see if you maintain your current viewpoints. Have a look; at minimum, it will be enlightening, I assure you.
# During the 2005-2050 the United States along with seven other countries (India, Pakistan, Nigeria, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Bangladesh, and Uganda) are expected to account for half of the world's projected population increase from 6.5 billion to 9.1 billion ("Demographic, Social and Economic Indicators - 2006," United Nations Population Fund)
# The United States ranked sixth among countries contributing to the growth of the under-15 population during the 1990s (7 percent); no other developed country was among the top 50 countries in this respect. ("U.S. Census 2000 Brief: The United States in International Context 2000," Thomas McDevitt and Patricia Rowe, February 2002)
# From 1990 to 2000, the U.S. population increased by 13% compared with 2.5% for other developed countries combined. ("U.S. Census 2000 Brief: The United States in International Context 2000," Thomas McDevitt and Patricia Rowe, February 2002)
# About 10 million more people entered the United States between 1990-2000 than left the country. ("U.S. Census 2000 Brief: The United States in International Context 2000," Thomas McDevitt and Patricia Rowe, February 2002)
* There are an estimated 20 to 38 million illegal aliens currently residing in our country.
* All of the 9/11 hijackers were in the United States legally, having entered on temporary visas.
* California is home to at least 5 million of those illegal aliens.
* Illegal immigrants who take low-paying jobs don't pay enough in income taxes, if they pay at all, to reimburse taxpayers the $5,000/per student annual cost of educating their children.
* Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California $10.5 billion a year for education, health care, and incarceration.
* Illegal aliens constitute 15 percent of our state’s school population.
* Between 1993 and 2003, 60 California hospitals were forced to close from the financial burden of providing free health care for uninsured illegal aliens.
* Illegal immigrants who enroll in the University of California system are charged in-state tuition.
* Each year the Border Patrol makes more than a million apprehensions of persons unlawfully crossing U.S. borders to work and to receive public assistance, often with the aid of fraudulent documents. Such entry is a misdemeanor, and if repeated becomes punishable as a felony.
* Illegal aliens from Central America have been allowed to remain in the United States so long that their homelands have grown dependent on the billions of dollars a year they send home in remittances.
* 300,000 people who have been ordered deported are still in the country because their deportation orders were not enforced.
* Census Bureau estimates say 115,000 people from terrorist-sponsoring Middle Eastern nations live in the United States illegally.
* Some illegal aliens from terrorist nations pay as much as $50,000 each to be smuggled into our country.
* Approximately one-third of all foreign-born U.S. residents are illegal aliens.
* Over half of all Mexicans living in the United States are here illegally.
* In the last decade, 80 to 85 percent of the flow of Mexican immigrants has been illegal.
* A strategy of attrition through enforcement could reduce the illegal population by as many as 1.5 million illegal aliens each year. Currently about 183,000 illegal aliens per year depart without the intervention of immigration officials, according to DHS statistics.
The Population-Environment Connection
Parts of the USA are already remarkably densely populated. For example, California, which was effectively empty 100 years ago, is now more densely populated (has more people per square mile) than does the continent of Europe. And, according to recent U.S. Census Bureau estimates, sometime around the year 2030, the population density in California will equal that in China now! This is the same China that has instituted a one child per family policy. California's population growth is essentially due entirely to immigration from abroad.
Whether it is air pollution in the cities or sprawl in the suburbs, farmland conversion in the valleys or deforestation in the mountains, Americans are destroying the natural systems that keep us alive physically and spiritually. Each year we pave over an area about equal to the state of Delaware for more roads, housing developments, shopping malls and industry. For most resources including energy, per capita U.S. consumption has stabilized, but overall use is increasing, driven higher by continuing growth of the U.S. population.
An example of this phenomenon is U.S. beef consumption. "Running" cattle often comes with a high environmental price: displacement and murder of native wildlife, stream and soil erosion, desertification, etc. This is true both here in the U.S. or elsewhere, wherever U.S. beef comes from. Since 1970, per capita U.S. beef consumption has declined by about 15%. But, over the same period, U.S. population increased by about 1/3. So people living in the USA now eat substantially more beef, in total, than they did in 1970. (Meat production uses 37% of the world's grain output, but only 5% of Americans are vegetarians.)
At the same time that total meat consumption is going up, the National Marine Fisheries Service is cutting allowable catches because of perceived sharp declines in numbers of fish. Many fishes have been "harvested" to near commercial extinction both in U.S. waters and worldwide.
According to the Nature Conservancy, 1/3 of U.S. plant and animal species are already at risk of extinction. Causes of this biological devastation are many, but they all come back, more or less, to humans expropriating habitats of other species for our use. And the more of us there are, the more we must expropriate. According to a report published in 1997 in "Science" (vol. 277, p. 1116) the leading causes of species endangerment are: urbanization; agriculture; outdoor recreation and tourism development; interactions with non-native species; domestic livestock and ranching activities; reservoirs and other running water diversions; pollution; mineral, gas, oil, and geothermal extraction or exploration; and on and on.
Water scarcity is a problem that many, particularly those who live in the Southwest, can relate to. But scarcity is turning up all over America, even in places as wet as Long Island, New York and South Florida. In Florida, the toxic pollution generated by the dense population is permanently destroying underground aquifers, rivers and wetlands. Sixty-five percent of the 3900 square miles of the Everglades have been drained or diverted to agricultural centers and urban areas such as Miami. So, the Everglades has lost 93% of its wading bird population since the 1930s, while the human population has grown at a rate 2.5 times faster than the national average.
Nationwide, ground water aquifers are being depleted 25% faster than they are recharged. Of our original 221 million acres of wetlands, only 103 million remain. And despite the federal government's official no-net-loss of wetlands policy, a 1997 U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service report indicated that about 1 million wetland acres were lost, mostly on agricultural lands, between 1985 and 1995.
Devin, I posted at 6:10am. I understand that they were arrested, but it was because they were here illegally NOT because they were looting. I believe the police should have arrested them on the spot for looting, get them into the criminal records system and then turn them over to the BP.
I know the no-growthers don't like to here this. But the answer to environmental problems is more economic growth not less. Our water and air is cleaner today than 100 years ago despite a vastly larger population. Forest land has been expanded, not cleared. There are more acres of forest in the US today than 100 years ago.
Why? economic progress. We have learned to grow more food on less land. The amount of land under cultivation has shrunk even as production has exploded. We have less farm land and more food. Less ranchland and more beef. Economic progress also cleaned our air and water. How? Humans have a pyrimad of needs. At the base is food, water and shelter. Once that is fulfilled, they will start worrying about things like entertainment and liesure. Once those are fulfilled they will start worrying about the things around them and will be willing to sacrifice some wealth to improve things like the environment. Thats why over the last 100 years as we have gotten richer, we have dedicated more resources to mandating clean technologies. Emissions have gotten cleaner from cars, factories, household appliances, power stations etc. Yes we can keep improving, but people will only sacrifice if they benefit as well and that means continued growth.
Look at where the most poluted air and water is in the world. Its in the poorest countries because people there are too worried about where they will get their next meal not how clean the air is.
Look at China, a gross poluter. They have always been poluters, but now the growing middle class is putting pressure on the govt to clean things up. As they grow in power, the economy will be cleaned.
An exception to this rule is carbon emissions which generally grow with economic growth. While not a polution, it is a greenhouse gas. But the best solution to that is zero emission nuclear energy which all the environmentalists are against.
Poll Results from the Tavis Smiley (PBS)Presidential Forum on Immigration. (I'll put a link in the next post if you'd like to vote.)
Total votes: 132792
What would you most like to see in a new immigration policy?
A guest worker program : 0%
Giving priority to immigrants based on their education and job skills : 0%
Giving priority to immigrants who have family in the country : 0%
Increasing fines on companies that hire illegal immigrants : 0%
Increasing border patrol and putting up a fence on the U.S.-Mexico border : 0%
Prosecute and deport all illegal immigrants : 95%
Provide amnesty to all illegal immigrants currently in the U.S. : 1%
There doesn’t need to be a new immigration policy; the existing policy should be enforced : 1%
I've been using the signonsandiego site for all of our updates - since we get no San Diego news in Temecula. It's amazing that this site got over 100 comments - not the one where the volunteer crews saved the top of Palomar Mountain, or of the families going back to their neighborhoods, no, it's the negative reports of bad behavior. We know we have a problem, but let's not let this or the other looters have such a lime light - not when there are real heroes to be celebrated.
Link to the above poll:
http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/special/forums/issues/immigration.html
Also, as I said earlier, less than 5% of California's land is urbanized. Europe is similar, ever driven through the French countryside? Lots of open spaces. China is also mostly rural, not very dense at all. Its great that our population is still growing unlike Europe, Japan and China. They are all going to have huge problems as smaller generations have to support more and more retirees. Their economies will be in shambles. I will check out your anti-growth website since I like to read opposing views and make informed judgements. Please check out this letter signed by 500 economists saying how good immigration is. (Economically legal and illegal immigration are no different so they don't make that distinction).
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1727
There are alot of good reference links at the bottom of the letter as well.
It is just laughable how there are people out there calling us racist because we want our country safe and protected. You know what, fine, call me a racist. I honestly do not care. If a race is largely lazy, uneducated, unmnotivated, societal leechers I am not going to like them. I do not appreciate spending my hard earned money working 60+ hours/week on illegals who come to the US, freely use our healthcare, get placed on welfare, have many many many more babies because they get 'paid' more for them, are not productive to our society.
Call me a racist, call me a patriot, call me what you will; the truth is I am being honest. Whether you like it or not is besides the point, it is the truth of the matter. Ever since we have opened the flood gates to illegals in this country, our nation has become a worse place (and I am not only speaking economically).
Devin,
I guess we each accept the "facts" that best suit our political persuasion. Once again, I'm unsure from where you derive your information, but have a look at what the experts from all different political bents say on the issue of population growth (www.cap-s.org / Californians for Population Stabilization)
Sprawl Facts
* To feed our growing population California is losing over 100,000 acres of farmland annually to urban sprawl. (American Farmland Trust)
* The U.S. area devoted to roads and parking lots covers an estimated 61,000 square miles, an expanse approaching the size of the 51.9 million acres that U.S. farmers planted in wheat last year. (Lester Brown, "They Paved Pears and Rice and Put Up a Parking Lot," Grist Magazine)
* See why protecting our farmland is important by viewing The Apple as Planet Earth.
* The United States, not including Alaska, lost 24.8 million acres to development from 1982 to 1997. (1997 National Resources Inventory, U.S. Department of Agriculture)
* Between 1954 and 1997, urbanized land area almost quadrupled from 18.6 million acres to about 74 million acres in the contiguous 48 states. The consequences of this land consumption include habitat loss and fragmentation, wetland destruction, and degradation of water quality. (US EPA)
* As more land is urbanized, more surface area becomes impervious—affecting ground water recharge and the volume and rate of surface water runoff. Urban runoff is responsible for 55% of environmentally impaired ocean shorelines; 46% of impaired estuary miles; and 21% of impaired lake-miles, according to the 1996 EPA National Water Quality Inventory. (US EPA)
* Between 1980 and 1997, US population growth increased at an annual rate of 1%, while miles driven increased 3.1% annually. In turn, this auto-dependence leads to more and longer vehicle trips, which are associated with the auto-related air emissions and greenhouse gases that contribute to global climate change. Ultimately, air pollution and climate change can also adversely affect water quality and habitat. (US EPA)
Natural Resources Facts
* The use of fresh water will go up sixfold in the next 70 years and by 2050 half of the world's population will be living without direct access to fresh water. (UNFPA State of the World Population 2001 Report)
* More than 100 million Americans live in urban areas where the air is officially classified by the EPA as unsafe to breathe. (Natural Resources Defense Council)
* Twenty percent more water than is now available will be needed to feed the additional three billion people who will be alive by 2025. (World Commission on Water for the 21st Century)
* The world is in the midst of a mass extinction unlike any since the extinction of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Extinction rates are currently estimated anywhere between 100 to 1,000 times greater than normal. (National Wildlife Federation)
* For every single gallon of gasoline burned, 20 pounds of carbon dioxide go into the atmosphere. Carbon dioxide is considered a main culprit in global warming. (Union of Concerned Scientists)
* At current rates of use, the non-renewable energy sources, oil, and natural gas will be commercially exhausted by about 2050 in the United States.(Carrying Capacity Network)
* Each year, Americans pave over or convert to developed uses an area of land equal to the size of Delaware.(Carrying Capacity Network)
* If current population growth trends continue, the USA will cease to be able to export food by about the year 2030, thus losing approximately 40 billion annual income from export sales. (Carrying Capacity Network)
* Between 50% and 70% of the world's population lives in coastal areas. If current warming rates continue, thermal expansion of the oceans and melting of polar ice caps will cause sea levels to rise. Increased flooding from higher tides and stronger storm systems could destroy coastal farmland, habitats and wildlife populations. (NOAA 1999)
* Experts estimate that 75% of the total decline in global forest cover took place during the 20th century, with most occurring in just the last 40 years. Within this same period, the human population has expanded at a rate never before experienced in our history. (Population Action International, 1999)
* Only about 2.5% of all water on the planet is freshwater (essential for most human purposes) and only about 0.5% is accessible groundwater or surface water. (UNFPA)
* The California Floristic Province stretches for 1,800 kilometers along the western coast of North America. Most of the hotspot's 324,000 square kilometers are within the state of California; small portions of southwestern Oregon and northwestern Baja California in Mexico are also included.
Thanks, Devin. I just saw your post and I'll check out the link.
to get started, i am tired of the mexicans that complain about how they are miss treated in the united states. i dont miss treat anyone. its vage in a way, they come hear illegalY, meaniNg that they had to break our constitutional laws to get here, they get hired so they can feed their starving familys back home because there government is so corrupt that they cant even feed themselves. and they bring there traditions with them; note:(if i had to leave my country because it sucked i would find a new tradition). the united states basically feeds the entire world. yes france to, where do you think they got the idea of french fries, they got there potatoes from idaho.
mexicans come here and they dont even try to blend in, they dont try to adapt, they care nothing about you or anyone else but, themselves. they are the most racist, hateful, whinning, helpless people i have ever met. they act so dumb and they use it to there benefit so others will feel bad and do everything for them. they contribute nothing to the united states with one exception, they will do the jobs no one else wants to do. why because if they go home they wont have one. heres another one for you, they actually do speak english, they just refuse to so others will cater to them.
Hey, i know what goes on first hand, they are all scamming, i work at a bank and i see everything that goes on. they come in with fake ssn and ID cards mostly from oregon, they wont deposit all of there checks only cash them that way they dont have to pay taxes. some will come in with regular paychecks along with a social security check. they bring there older family members from mexico long enough for them to get into the system, they collect there social security and then they go back to mexico and retire on money they have not even earned that you and i are paying for.
basically, mexicans come here for their benefit, cause trouble, and then act like they are the victums. they dont try to speak or learn english, they dont teach there children english, leaving our fellow americans behind to help them learn english when they should be focusing on american children. i think that we spend more time catering to mexicans than we do any other race on this planet. i am tired of it, they lie, cheat, steal and get away with it. they are the crime wave in history. i see more latino gangs than any other race. when i read the paper and it talks about gangs it has a spanish last name behind it.
i just want to know one thing, if the united states sucks so bad and your so missed treated why did you leave your country. if it is so, then maybe it is time for you all, yes ALL to leave, dont pack because its really a short notice and its time for you to go, replace it when you get there. MEXIGONE
Just a quick point -
To the individual who has deemed the efforts here in San Diego as differing significantly from Katrina because we are Wealthy and White... Ummmmm, yeah, NO!
In case you haven't noticed, you are reading an article highlighting that a segment of our population are, in fact, ILLEGALS LIVING IN CANYONS or CRAMMED BY THE TENS INTO ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS IN THE OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN - one particular area that has been hit hard in this tradegy.
YES, the hardest hit area is Rancho Bernardo. But, despite your obviously Black-n-White/no gray area thinking, not all of these people are wealthy and white. And frankly, move out east to Ramona, Deer Horn, down south into Jamul and Potrero - these are not WEALTHY WHITE areas.
The bottom line here is this:
San Diegans took responsibility for evacuating (offering the same public assistance to those who couldn't on their own - New Orleans provided public assistance - a little fact that everyone is brushing over here - except one thing, storms can be seen coming for days - we had minutes), we took responsibility for information control, we have been responsible to our neighbors (with a few exceptions - all of whom: legal/illegal, white/non-white, wealthy/non-wealthy - all deserve to be strung up for taken advantage of this disaster).
We looked to fire/police to do what we pay them to do (I know this sounds harsh, but in reality it's true - taking absolutely NOTHING from them, they are amazing and fabulous and every positive adjective in the world!!!!), we looked to our local government to provide the resources necessary for those agencies to do their jobs and provide the information, then to liason with state officials who would provide more tactical support, we looked to the state level to provide the that support and intervene one our part for Federal Assistance.
We followed the chain appropriately - but more importantly, we did what we were supposed to do as members of this community, as individuals in a free republic living under a Constitution that provides for a government that doesn't babysit us, but that gives basic assistance!
Here's the deal - the government is not supposed to be BIG BROTHER! You complain that you want government out of your bedroom, out of your business, out of your wallet, etc - but then you EXPECT government ot be your daddy? To tend to your needs when it's convenient???? NO! In your Black-n-White thinking (displayed by the "you're all white & wealthy" comment) you error by wanting to take your share out of the middle when it benefits you!
Government has FEW requirements (hey, there, politicians, pay attention here) - and if you read the Consititution you will learn what those are!
What makes the San Diego Fires scenario so much better than the Katrina scenario comes down to US, the people, the basic San Diegan! We did what was necessary to save our lives! We have provided for our fellow San Diegans - black, white, Mexican, Asian, legal, illegal, wealthy, poor, etc. We haven't asked anyone for their ID and credentials! And we, San Diegans who are black, white, Mexican, Asian, legal, illegal, wealthy, poor, etc. have all given to the relief effort.
AND WE, SAN DIEGANS, HAVE NOT RAPED OUR DAUGHTERS AT QUALCOMM, we haven't defecated on the sidewalks or created unsanitary conditions in our evacuation centers; we HAVE volunteered to help each other - even as our OWN HOUSES have burned to the ground - our local musicians and clowns have gone to the evac centers to help because that's all we have left in the world is our ability to provide a moment of escape to those in need, we have bought the guy next to us a beer and hugged his and told him we'd be there to help rebuild (and we have meant it) - EVEN AS WE WERE PAINED ON THE INSIDE HAVING RETURNED TO OUR OWN HOMES TO SEE RUBBLE!
THAT, Mr. All-You-Whitey-Wealthies-Don't-Compare-to-Katrina, is why we are going to survive this and flourish! Don't take away from us because handled this with class and intelligence! For, as this very story may advise, some of those involved don't even speak English, don't have two dimes to rub together, some have lost very little because that's all they had to lose! But the majority of us - even those who are non-white and non-wealthy - have stood tall and respectful of those we see as going through this WITH us!
As for the crux of this whole discussion - anyone who takes from a survivor of this tragedy is a slime.
And if you are here illegally, well, you don't belong here UNTIL you can get permission to be here! It's a slap in the face to all those who are going through the legal channels - regardless of your native country (in other words, even Natural Mexicans are going through the proper channels AND THEY DON'T APPRECIATE YOU STEALING THEIR PLACE IN LINE).
Oh, and one more thing... "At least devin is showing his name" - whatever, my name is Torrey. It's just easier to put Anonymous because youcan just send the comment!
the "basic San Diegan" is a xenophobic, racist, draconian nativist who is afraid of the rest of the world, including undocumented workers.
The "basic San Diegan" has a living standard light years ahead of the "basic New Orleanean", so it is not fair to say that San Diegans followed the rule of law and descended on the luxurious amenities of Qualcomm, dubbed the "Ritz" of evaucation shelters by the Los Angeles Times yesterday.
The "basic San Diegan" is one who is against government, against public services, against undocumented workers, but will take a hand out as soon as it is given.
Talk about hypocritical!
not at all surprised, their
very presence here is theft!
ww2 camps had nothing to do with race but nationality. They put white germans in camps as well but your myopic union teachers never taught you the whole truth. I wonder why?
San Diegans are leeches on the rest of us Californians, not the Mexicans.
San Diegans continually pay the lowest taxes in our state, yet receive the most services.
California should cut off the appendage that is San Diego (white, wealthy suburbanites and all) and let them fend for themselves.
If California never had a San Diego, we would all be in much better shape.
so many ignorant liberals
FATHER OH HOW WE NEED YOU!!! MAY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS OUR GREAT NATION. WE NEED TO REMEMBER ABOUT THE FOUNDATION OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY
San Diego (and all the hypocritical Republicans) is a drag on the entire economy of California.
If the rest of us Californians did not have a San Diego, we would be in much better shape economically.
Let San Diego fend for itself, like the state and feds did in New Orleans...
so many ignorant conservatives
I say give San Diego and Orange County back to Mexico, and let all the white, wealthy, racist, Republican suburbanites try and cross the border back into the United States.
Then they will know how it is to walk in the shoes of the hardworking, trustworthy undocumented workers who prop our economy up and make the United States a land of plenty.
KILL EM nothing is better. HOW dare they steal from the folks that need the help HOW DARE THEY! And they want to let more into this country! HA! go back to your own country and steal from YOUR people NOT MINE
BITTER, YES YOU ARE VERY BITTER!!!
I say mame all the anti-immigration racist in this forum!!!
San Diego is such a backwards, pathetic place!
I just have a really difficult time anymore with any "illegal" aliens. I don't want anyone in our country that isn't here LEGALLY! I was born in America. It's the only place I know. I may have ancestors from other countries but I don't go around saying that I am Brittish American or German American or you name it. I am American! The language I know is English, that is the native language of the country I love. Americans (those that were born here AND hold no allegience elsewhere, or if they are here legally have renounced all allegience to their home land, learn English and embrace OUR culture) are becoming the minority. The thing that really gets me is them wanting to live here while their hearts are still in their beloved MEXICO. If it is so important to them, why don't they stay across the border and stop trying to move the border of their HOME land as far North as Canada. Sad to say, but if we continue to not deal with the problem of illegal imigration you will not be calling this the United States of America, it will be the States of NEW Mexico. I can see it coming, too bad our government officials can't see it.
BTW - Thank you to the 60 Mexican firefighters from TJ and Tacate that came over to help fight the fires. (BEFORE ANY ONE MAKES A RUDE AND RACIST COMMENT.) I hope they put up a good fight against the SAME fire they are now fighting in their borders.
I say kill all the racist people in this forum who are against illegal aliens!!!
They are VERY un-American indeed.
This WAS Mexico, 10:15 Anonymous, before the Ameicans stole it in 1846!!!!
Idiot...
get a life
Anonymous needs to shut the f*** up before I throw him or her in the DAMN FIRE!!!!!!!
Come on people! We are burning and you are still making your ignorant racist comments. No need to generalize all Mexicans. We need to be together in this. Shame on all of you that keep on posting racist comments. Racist and haters please keep those comments to your selves. Immigrants are now Sadiegans too!
PEACE
what a sad, miserable bunch of idiots
i say we burn all the racist mother fuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's sounds like all of the angry people wanting to kill, mame and burn the racists are in fact racist themselves
This really shouldn't be a race issue. The fact that they were Mexican and illegal isn't the real issue. The real issue is that these people (Regardless of where they came from) did a dispicable act by taking advantage of people in need and they do need to be punished. These people do not represent ALL the Mexicans or any other minority in the community. Its ok and understandable to be upset, but be so for the right reasons. And to those that feel everyone is "hating" on the Mexicans, you may be misinterpreting a lot of what people are really trying to say. People are angry at these Mexicans, not all Mexicans.
All the racists in thsi forum need to burn in hell in the fires for their comments about Mexicans.
No misinterpretation, San Diegans are a bunch of bigoted, racist parasites!!!
I'm not a racist. And I don't want to kill racists, just educate them. If anyone can dispute any of the economic facts in my posts about why we need these immigrants, please do so. No one has yet. Spouting Xenephobic and racist comments doesn't do it. Unless you can present some legitimate, impassionate facts your post is useless.
"Just me said" needs to burn in hell for supporting racist San Diego.
Devin,
I'm glad you don't want to kill anyone and educating misguided people is a noble cause. I just think the hatred coming from both sides of this issue is unhelpful.
Good luck.
The hatred is coming from the racists.
San Diego needs to burn in hell for its attitude towards immigrants!!!
I say round up all the San Diego racists in this forum, and let them hang til their death in a public square for all to see!!!
The Republican racists in this forum should have died in the fire for their comments about they hateful comments towards immigrants!!!!
I am a 25 year old Mexican American business owner in Southern California. Both my grandfathers worked for the railroads back in the 50's as labormen and saved every available nickel to immigrate themselves. Fortunatley for one of them, my grandmother was born in LA and my father and all his brothers were blessed with a US birth. My mother's family however, waited 23 years before each family member was legally documented and named an "immigrant" of the United States. Since this, every member of my MEXICAN family, has earned an honest living, some gone to college, others serving in the military and national guard, and most importantly abided by the US laws.
I take personal offense to be generalized as a thief simply because of where my family came from. I take offense to every good mexican out there breaking their back too make it the RIGHT way, being shoved into a pen with people who choose not to. I take offense to everyone who would take the mistake of 6 men and condemn a whole beautiful country.
In my experience, and the experience of many I know (including American Citizens mind you), our mother countries have been kinder to us than the United States has ever been in closeness to home. Our parents moved us back to Mexico so we could get an education that wasn't going to require an additional 16 years of college.
Only in the US can you go to college for 8 years, go into debt over it and still have nothing accomplished. This is the truth of little more than half of US college students. If you notice, most of our PHD's, MD's and honors awards are going to the Exchenge students, and the immigrants coming from OTHER PLACES in this world that gave a crap about their educations.
Only in the US will you get an HMO that might help you IF you have a good job. Granted HMO's aren't the greatest thing in the world, but they do help out alot of people who couldn't afford better. IN MEXICO... all you have to do to deserve medical benefits, and medication, and food supplies, and tuition funding... is have a job or ask. It really is that simple. No matter WHAT JOB you have, you could be the poor bastard that sweeps up the horse droppings in a parade for a dollar an hour... you would have medical insurance. This medical insurance would cost you all of a dime from your paycheck and take care of medications, surgeries and not just for you... but everyone that lives in your home (employed or not). Has the US caught up to this yet?... not last I heard.
The United States is a wonderful country because our dreams say it is. Our families came here looking for a better way of life, and as time has gone by and techonology has grown, the world has become a greedier and less advanced place. You think there would be more opportunity. You think people would have allowed themselves to become more generous with their findings. You think there would be more hands extended to help those in need.
The US has gone to war for the world, but let us not pretend that they went in there alone. They were made compatriots to other countries striving for the same kinds of freedom and rights we enjoy in the USA. Last I checked we are STILL at war for that ideal, to share it with another country.
I won't say the the US is a bad place that can't be good for anything. It has its virtue just like any other country, just like any other person. I will say however, that Mexico is also.
Individuals are individuals. They make choices for themselves based on whatever. It doesn't change them from being individuals. No one deserves to be called racist or evil simply because they are american. No one deserves to be called lazy and stupid simply because they are mexican. Everyone deserves to be weighed on the scale on their own, and seen for their OWN true faults and virtues.
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I give up. enjoy your miserable lives.
well said 11:32 post (the first one from the Mexican American business man).
P.S... I am a Mexican American business owner... and I am a WOMAN.
Anonymous said...
the "basic San Diegan" is a xenophobic, racist, draconian nativist who is afraid of the rest of the world, including undocumented workers.
The "basic San Diegan" has a living standard light years ahead of the "basic New Orleanean", so it is not fair to say that San Diegans followed the rule of law and descended on the luxurious amenities of Qualcomm, dubbed the "Ritz" of evaucation shelters by the Los Angeles Times yesterday.
The "basic San Diegan" is one who is against government, against public services, against undocumented workers, but will take a hand out as soon as it is given.
Talk about hypocritical!
October 25, 2007 9:21 AM
Wow. This comment makes me think you aren't from San Diego. Or if you are, you absolutely should not be. You are the hypocrite, my friend. Get over the whole San Diego/wealthy connection. Enough. All walks of life have been affected. ALL. The difference here is that our wealthy residents have taken care of their neighbors close and far. That's the difference here, we take care of each other. Perhaps New Orleans, now the murder capital of the US, could learn something from this. We don't depend on government to take care of our every need, but we do take what's given in a time of need. That kind-hearted volunteers from around San Diego wanted to take care of their neighbors by helping to create the "Ritz" of evacuation centers. And I'm sorry, a stadium is still a stadium, not exactly luxurious accommodations. I pray to God you are not a resident and if you are, get out NOW! You're attitude and obvious hate for anything San Diegan shows you have nothing positive to offer any of us. Why don't you go spread your special kind of joy down in New Orleans?
JESSICA
ummm, 9:21, are you kidding?
We're draconian xenophobes??? You are flippin' hilarious!
And – no, we are not afraid of undocumented workers.
And maybe our Qualcomm may seem like a “Ritz” compared to other evac shelters; the reality is, that stadium is falling apart. But, aside from that, any place can be clean or unclean, livable or unlivable. The inhabitants are going to make the difference. And the inhabitants were all a single body – regardless of station in the world. We were just people sharing each other’s pain. Some are illegally in the US; that didn’t matter while we sat together, eating, sleeping, and crying. It only mattered when they took from those for whom assistance was ear marked. There is an under-lying anger at the issue of illegal immigration; thus this issue makes people angry.
And to further assist in your understanding of the “Basic San Diegan”, we are not “against government”, we are against BIG government; we are not “against public service” we are against the concept of freebies for all and welfare without regulations; we ARE against ILLEGAL immigration, but we LOVE legal immigration; as for taking a hand out? Again, I refer back to the concept of public services being divvied out on a controlled basis – nobody is going to argue against a helping hand – but if that helping hand is the only hand working to support a family – THAT’S BAD!
As for people generalizing ALL MEXICANS – that is terribly WRONG. Oh, and by the way, illegal aliens are not JUST Mexican – it is so very wrong of people to imply that to be the case. One has NOTHING to do with the other. But make no mistake on the point made above: WE LOVE LEGAL IMMIGRATION; we abhor illegal immigration. That doesn’t make us racists – that makes us realistic. There are illegal immigrants who are white-bread European, THEY ARE JUST AS DETESTED AS ANY OTHER ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. Please stop projecting your own racially biased hatred on to us. It is not racist or un-American to oppose illegal activity; it is just and correct.
And we DO appreciate the assistance provided by our good neighbors to the South. I am sure they know we appreciate them as much as we know they appreciate us here (the horrible racists in San Diego) providing millions of dollars of charity and support to Mexico through donations and volunteer work. And God knows, when there are disasters in Mexico (or anywhere else in the world) the US is first to stand up and offer a helping hand.
As for this state being in better shape if San Diego was not part of California… Lord, that’s a bright and intelligent comment, folks, isn’t it? Because San Diego is, what? Did you say “leeches”? How so? I continually pay 9.3% state withholding but I’m not entitled to benefits given to those who pay a lesser percentage. I don’t use the services, I am not allowed (of course, I’d rather provide for myself & my family – I have honor and pride). How am I a drain on the CA economy?
So, go on with your crude crass generalizations as you point your wicked little crooked finger at those who are making generalizations. That’s gonna help your argument!
Oh, BTW, 12:01 was me, Torrey (again)
San Diego is such a pathetic, parasitic, leech of a place that continually sucks off the rest of California.
It would be best if San Diego fell into the ocean, and let the rest of us Californians live in peace, know that a bunch of racist bigots were killed!!!!
San Diegans are so fucking hypocritical. They want small goverment and no taxes, yet put their hand out to state and federal assistance when they need it.
What a useless fucking place. I hope the whole city (with all the racist bigots) burns in hell!!!!
The money we are WASTING on putting fires out in San Diego right now would be better served rebuilding a real city, New Orleans!!!
Sab Diego is nothing but a bunch of draconian xenophobes!!
BURN IN HELL!!!!
Torrey Says...
Dear American Business Woman of Mexican descent,
Thank you for pointing out that issue (I mention it myself in my last post) - generalizing "Mexicans" as anything other than human is wrong.
If one were to watch, it's not difficult to see that most Mexicans in this country (that I have met & seen) are not lazy (by far), they work their butts off - no, this is not a generalization, it's an observation based on a sampling.
Keep working hard! That's should be a rule-of-thumb for all peoples in this country. But obtain LEGAL status.
Sounds like there is a hysterical beaner on here who keeps repeating the same comments over, and over, and over again.
I dont see why the Nationality of these criminals is being put under a microscope. After all they commited a crime and thats thast! Does it matter that they were illegal? Absolutely NOT! What is happening here is that RACISM is the TRUE headline here! People,,,,get your heads out of your assses, and realize that we HISPANICS ARE hard workers. Id rather see a MEXICAN selling FLOWERS outside of the freeway, than A WHITE BUM holding a cardboard sign that says "BROKE & HOMELESS" asking for spare change!!!!!
Anyone who puts their faith in Jesus the Son of God and has been born of Him is an alien in this country no matter where we live. For our citizenship is in Heaven. Forgive me for forgetting that. I am not against legal immigration, but against ILLEGAL. I am not against Mexicans, but am against theft or crimes of any sort no matter who commits them. Oh that we would know the heart and mind of the God who created us ALL. He loves the aliens--for his people were aliens in Egypt, and now, His people are aliens on this earth. Though it would please the Lord that we show kindness to the aliens, that does not negate their responsibility to abide by the rules of the United States. He is a God of justice and hates defiance whether it comes from the native or the alien. Aliens, all we ask is that you do things according to the laws of this land. Natives, we ask the same thing of you. GOD IS THE ANSWER!
Eph 2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household,
1 Pet 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, ¶ To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen
1 Pet 2:11 ¶ Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul.
Phil 3:20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;
Lev 23:22 ¶ 'When you reap the harvest of your land, moreover, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field nor gather the gleaning of your harvest; you are to leave them for the needy and the alien. I am the LORD your God.'"
Deut 10:18 "He executes justice for the orphan and the widow, and shows His love for the alien by giving him food and clothing.
Deut 10:19 "So show your love for the alien, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt.
Deut 23:7 ¶ "You shall not detest an Edomite, for he is your brother; you shall not detest an Egyptian, because you were an alien in his land.
Num 15:16 'There is to be one law and one ordinance for you and for the alien who sojourns with you.'"
Num 15:29 'You shall have one law for him who does {anything} unintentionally, for him who is native among the sons of Israel and for the alien who sojourns among them.
Num 15:30 'But the person who does {anything} defiantly, whether he is native or an alien, that one is blaspheming the LORD; and that person shall be cut off from among his people.
They are like roaches except they come out in the light too! The United States border patrol should have shoot to kill orders for every single one of these illegals, they are a threat to national security if anyone is. This country needs to grow some balls and protect us and our borders!
La Raza Scum!
The fires weren't enough. We should encourage Iran to continue devloping its nuclear weapons program and drop the bomb on San Diego. 700,000+ dead San Diego Republicans is a good start!!!
Hey Victor M! My name is Dan from Chicago and what the hell are you talking about they can't be charged...They can be charged with theft of government goods. The only thing I have to say to people that want to stick up for these Illegals is if you like them so much go over to Mexica and walk down the wrong road or go into the wrong town, we'll see how these hard-working immigrants treat you, they will cut your balls off and most likely rape your little ass...I give out what they give. We don't play around in Chicago dork.
Yes, it WAS Mexico and we were at WAR and America WON!!!! So get over it!!!! Illegal need to leave the country and honestly enough Im not surprised they stole the items from the Q.
Ameica didn't "win" the Mexican-American War. President Polk provoked a border dispute, which unravelled into an entire war, giving the United States an excuse to illegally occpy and seize former Mexican territory.
Now who are really the illegals????
Honestly I'm not suprised there are so many racist, bigoted comments coming from a San Diego forum.
This might as well be coming from the KKK in Mississippi, circa 1955. No difference.
To all these people for whatever reason hate San Diego need to back off. It's the better part of California. I have lived everywhere in this state and San Diego tops it all. I do agree we could pay more taxes for things, but on the other hand I am no racist. Oh an for all the people who are on this page and dont like San Diego cant stop reading SignOnSandiego if you hate it so much. Go back to your stupid forms of general media.
There are other ways to come to the country legally. I am more then happy to help those who are going to do it correctly.
San Diego is the cyst that grows off the back of California. It takes everything and gioves back NOTHING!!
What a useless city!
I hope San Diego and all the Republican San Diegans burn in hell!!!
Again, I dont mind paying more taxes. I lived in LA county for crying out loud! Northern California is far worse then Southern California and i mean all of so cal. Not sure why people hate it here so much. It makes me laugh lololololol. If you think about it hard enough, it's far worse in the southern part of the country again I laugh at the way people get so out ragged. Lolol Good Times!!! The bottom line is no one should have been stealing things no matter where they are from.
Bottom line is San Diego is a shithole and should burn in hell. It makes the rest of California look bad!
How about this all of California just drop off the face of the planet and the country will be a lot happier. I don't mind living in New York since I have lived there before too. I think that would make everyone happy. I can believe a bunch of supposedly adults are bitching like little babies. lololol
How about this all of California just drop off the face of the planet and the country will be a lot happier. I don't mind living in New York since I have lived there before too. I think that would make everyone happy. I can believe a bunch of supposedly adults are bitching like little babies. lololol
All of america is burning, through the selling of our manafacturing base, the clintons selling or nuclear secrets to a enemy,i.e.,[china], AND THE BUSH TREASON OF OPEN BORDERS. This is just one example of how illegals are stealing from the taxpayers of America. The schools, medical care ect. are the big thefts happining everyday
I cannot stop laughing at the comments degrading San Diego and our residents. San Diego is by far the greatest city in America.
Another thing that is hilarious is the single person who is posting all the San Diego hate posts. You are a true comic relief. Let me guess, people don't like you?
No, just San Diego falling into the ocean would do the trick.
The rest of California is just fine. MUCH better than New York for gods sake!!!
Regina, marry me?
San Diego the "greatest city in America"?
If racism, corruption, apathy, stupidity, lack of culture, and malls make for the "greatest city in America", then heaven help us, we're ALL in trouble!
Get over it, San Diego should have burned to the ground, it would have be better for the rest of us Californians!!!
America is "burning" not because of illegals, but because of free trade and NAFTA, shifting jobs globally, and immigrants filling in the vacuum created by the global elite business class.
1:51 Spoken like a true NorCal idiot.
San Diego is a small place, we need more people like you thinking it is terrible because we are beginning to fill up. Please, go tell everybody how horrible it is in San Diego. Hurry.
San Diego is not a small place, it has a small mentality. That's its biggest downfall.
Heaven help all of you pathetic souls who live there!
And by the way, not NorCal, Ventura County fool!
What a stereotypical San Diego idiot!
1:57 says "Ventura Country fool".
Wow, you are funny. You must be a 13 year old kid that has nothing better to do on a Thursday afternoon than post on a wildfire forum. You are incredibly unintelligent and entirely pathetic. Being the Christian that I am, I feel a little bad for you. Poor little thing, you.
1:57 "incredibly unintelligent and entirely pathetic"?
That applies to all the racist, anti-immigration bigots in this forum.
We are not anti-immigration, we are anti-illegal immigration. There is a huge difference. All of the illegals in San Diego have put a bad taste in our mouths, rendering our rhetoric "racist" to those of you who are not required to grapple with the problem.
These people are trash. They have no shame, nor do they care. They are the locusts of the united states. Eventually when all is exploited they will move on. Just like they have done with there native land to the South. IT IS A PLAGUE that must be dealt with ASAP, or this country will collapse. Wake up you liberal amnesty supporters, and realize that you too are being robbed before your eyes.. "Help them today, rob you tomorrow"
You're ALL ant-immigration AND anti-illegal immigration. Who's fooling who?
In short you're just anti-Mexican!!!
Once a racist, always a racist!
As 2:28 PM said "These people are trash. They have no shame, nor do they care. They are the locusts of the United States".
However, it's not correct to say the immigrants, it's the San Diegans that are the shameless trash of California!!!
The PLAGUE is how wealthy San Diegans are just looking for free handouts from the fire and yet pay no taxes into these public services.
People from San Diego and Orange County are trash and leech off our great state of California.
We should just lob off everything south of Long Beach and throw it into the ocean!!!
Im would love it if San Diego was annexed by Baja Calfornia.
Then the wealthy gated-community residents in North County could know what it's like to yearn for a better life across the fence...
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